Curse

Simath · Dec 20, 2007, 03:35 AM // 03:35

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Originally Posted by Coolquest

Everyone, please calm down with the name calling.

May I see your internet police badge sir?

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Originally Posted by Coolquest

And I've never heard of warr soloing UW?

Where the hell have you been?

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Warriors are not BAD, they just no longer excel as much as they used to

Please take a moment to pull your head out of your ass before you post. Thanks.

Coolquest · Dec 20, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by Simath

May I see your internet police badge sir?
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Please take a moment to pull your head out of your ass before you post. Thanks.

So, you need a mod to tell you not to troll? Seems to me all your arguments seem to be centered around the fact that if your an ass for no reason and insult people they'll automatically agree with you

Full Metal X · Dec 20, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by Coolquest

So, you need a mod to tell you not to troll? Seems to me all your arguments seem to be centered around the fact that if your an ass for no reason and insult people they'll automatically agree with you

I think his argument is based on the fact that you play your warrior wrong, and are bad.

Avarre · Dec 20, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Age

What would the first one be then?Warriors are the only class except maybe Eles(smites that is) that can solo the UW.

What.

No, really, what?

Remember kids, misinformation is just as against the rules as trolling is.

Nevin · Dec 20, 2007, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Please stop talking.

Warriors were made to do one thing: Kill shit.

They do it better than any class in the game.

/thread

Until I see some numerical evidence, I'm pretty sure this is why most people take SF nukers and splint barragers instead of umm.. "DS warriors".. ahhaha.

To Faer:
Saying something isn't, is by no means a valid way of arguing. Otherwise from what I can tell by your posts, you're dictating what you believe is the proper way to play GW, stating that groups do not need tanks. Sorry but thats elitist attitude. There are plenty of groups that use tanks, and perhaps some lesser skilled groups do need one, whats it to you? You don't have to play with those groups now do you? You're arguing from the perspective of a Good warrior player, I'm arguing from the perspective of a good assassin player. Neither of us are taking into account bad warrior players and bad assassin players.

Llint · Dec 20, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

I'd rather run one warrior then 3 elementists. I'd rather run one necro then 3 warriors.

Marverick · Dec 20, 2007, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by Faer

What if Moebius gets disabled by one of the many skills in the game designed to disable other skills that people have a habit of repeatedly spamming?

Oops, you're boned. Have fun autoattacking for a while.

...I was under the impression that this thread was about Warrior usefulness in PvE??
Exactly how many monsters in PvE have Diversion or D-shot?

And are you saying that Diversion or D-shot or D-chop cannot take out Dragon Slash or what?

Avarre · Dec 20, 2007, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by Nevin

Until I see some numerical evidence, I'm pretty sure this is why most people take SF nukers and splint barragers instead of umm.. "DS warriors".. ahhaha.

No, people take those characters because they are terrible at the game and don't understand the basics of game mechanics. This is also why old Mallyx groups used eles for DPS, and did not succeed.

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Saying something isn't, is by no means a valid way of arguing. Otherwise from what I can tell by your posts, you're dictating what you believe is the proper way to play GW, stating that groups do not need tanks. (Elitist attitude) There are plenty of groups that use tanks, and perhaps some lesser skilled groups do need one, whats it to you? You don't have to play with those groups now do you?

It's not elitism to say what works better. It might be elitism to believe anyone else telling you what works must be wrong and what you do is right. Although I have a lot of other, more unsavory words to describe that kind of player.

Tanks are unnecessary due to the immense amount of passive defense that can be worked into offensive characters in PvE, mob scatter, and the fact that warriors should be punching soft targets in the face, not standing around soaking damage.

Any character can run in first and take the first wave of spells with protection magic on them, or mitigate damage entirely by being protted and kiting. Dedicating a character to 'tanking' is a waste of a slot.

Chicken Ftw · Dec 20, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

Yawn. Thread summary: Bunch of PvE'rs fail at playing warrior, try to prove people with a clue wrong. Reading entire thread causes significant brain damage/headaches. Avarre wins as usual. Most likely his posts are summarily ignored, more garbage spouted by the clueless afterward. Can we go home yet?

LightningHell · Dec 20, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Popcorn plx.

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Originally Posted by Marverick

...I was under the impression that this thread was about Warrior usefulness in PvE??
Exactly how many monsters in PvE have Diversion or D-shot?

And are you saying that Diversion or D-shot or D-chop cannot take out Dragon Slash or what?

Diversion or D-shot or D-chop cannot fully take out a D-chop, as he has other attack skills and a rather powerful autoattack.

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I'd rather run one warrior then 3 elementists. I'd rather run one necro then 3 warriors.

Rly????

yum · Dec 20, 2007, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by Nevin

I believe what the OP is trying to say is. Although Warriors are a jack of all trades, theres a profession that can specify much better in a specific field of combat. Such as Assassins can do more damage then warriors, and quicker. Dervs can tank better then Warriors, Paragons can offer better support then warriors. That how ever is what makes a Warrior a Warrior, its the lazy man's profession, hit tab and space and stare at the screen you won't die, but you won't really do much either but pressure.

Don't get me wrong, Warriors are totally a viable class, after all, everyone has their pro's and cons. Its just that when you compare what the Warrior used to be known for, now to what other professions can do... (Walk down memory lane time)

Adren Spike < SP Sin's (or any generic combo for that matter)
Doylak Sig Tank < Avatar of Balth Tank (mystic regen? incredibiloudoius)
Shout Support < Paragons
Running < Shadow Form Sins, D/A runners.

Your knowledge about the game makes me cry

Llint · Dec 20, 2007, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Rly????

In a PvE mindset of course. Everyone knows theres no reason to run necros in PvP anymore.

LightningHell · Dec 20, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by Llint

In a PvE mindset of course. Everyone knows theres no reason to run necros in PvP anymore.

Even so, there really is no reason to bring more than 1 Necro as a MM. Of course, I'm discounting /X'es using the Soul Reaping engine as a support class.

No reason to not bring a melee.

Llint · Dec 20, 2007, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Even so, there really is no reason to bring more than 1 Necro as a MM. Of course, I'm discounting /X'es using the Soul Reaping engine as a support class.

No reason to not bring a melee.

Well, wether or not 2 SS 2 MM and 1 Jagged/taint + 1 warrior is like pro or not, I like to go afk in the middle of a fight because I am a lazy monk.

Well tbh, I didn't not bring a melee, so I guess you got me there. qq

Faer · Dec 20, 2007, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by Nevin

You're arguing from the perspective of a Good warrior player, I'm arguing from the perspective of a good assassin player.

Actually, I'm arguing from the point of a good player in general. You might call it elitist, but I call it "playing effectively".

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Exactly how many monsters in PvE have Diversion or D-shot?

Plenty do. Maybe you should start watching what enemies are actually using, and how it is affecting your team.

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Originally Posted by Marverick

And are you saying that Diversion or D-shot or D-chop cannot take out Dragon Slash or what?

I'm saying that a Warrior doesn't become practically useless when a skill gets disabled, whereas an Assassin sort of does. Your example brought up the amazing DPS of Moebius / Death Blossom in comparison to a Warrior doing a lesser amount of DPS with some undefined skillset. However, if your Moebius gets shut down, your damage output becomes effectively worthless, whereas the Warrior can keep on pumping out DPS even if a skill gets disabled. Additionally, the DPS from the Warrior is not conditional, whereas your Moebius DPS is. Furthermore, it is far easier to be shut down when you are repeatedly using the same skills in order to accomplish a task (your Assassin), as opposed to when you are using skills to supplement your already strong damage output (any decent Warrior).

LightningHell · Dec 20, 2007, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Well, wether or not 2 SS 2 MM and 1 Jagged/taint + 1 warrior is like pro or not, I like to go afk in the middle of a fight because I am a lazy monk.

Well tbh, I didn't not bring a melee, so I guess you got me there. qq

No need to qq, I'd bring setups like that too (...well, 1 MM is enough...) if I go afk midgame, which is often.

blue.rellik · Dec 20, 2007, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

Rly????

Actually if he's talking about heroes then he has a point, Koss, Goren and the ever hot Jora are all bricks. MoW, Olias and Livia are much better.

Savio · Dec 20, 2007, 07:09 AM // 07:09

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Actually if he's talking about heroes then he has a point

If he's talking about heroes, the first half of his post doesn't make sense. If he isn't talking about heroes, the second half of his post doesn't make sense.

Mineria · Dec 20, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

OMG! My wammo is bad, I can't tank , run or do dmg! *cry*
Even my mending+echo+frenzy+healing signet bar sucks after the all the mean nerfs which made my class so crappy and useless.

/deletes Mineria
/sarcasm off

ghostlyfenix · Dec 20, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by sage tank

warrior in pve does shit damage againist higher level monsters. 8 level difference is like 70% damage reduction

u got ur attributes right?, make sure u dont put 12 in healing and 12 in tactics and HH